Кирилл, непонял если честно что значит "нет смысла с коннекторами 3бетить"???..ээ..ну я не спорю, что коннекторы и колом сыграть плюсово можно...нооо какая связь вообще лайт3бета и того, что там не должно быть именно коннекторов?))))))
Raccoon спас мою веру в человечество! Противно, но фолд.
Читаю мнения и не понимаю с каких пор у нас инста пуш???
Динамика агрессивная? То есть хиро часто трибетли и он выкидывал до флопа, либо на флопе. Судя по комментам первый раз имеем четыребет. И получаем 5бет в треть стэка при 25М (означающий, что фолдэквити нет). Можно положить хиро на блеф 4бет, если он ставит его первый раз? Ну и как часто агрорег, который прекрасно в позе рестилил хиро, получив, наконец, первый раз 4бет будет выставлятся с мусором??? Бетсайзинг 5бет тоже больше похож на премиум руку. Блеф 5бет с таким стеком был бы пуш, чтобы сузить диапазон кола хиро.
Нам с туз дамой в данной ситуации для плюсового пуша нужно 40% еквити, кладем опа на диапазон AK+ JJ+ и фолдим. Или я не догоняю и с туз дамой в турнирах 6 макс фолда нет?
ахахахахаха))) всё таки старая шутка еще актуальна
"ребят ну как тут лучше сыграть?
DECAY: изи пуш fish1: дада...инста пуш fish2: конечно пуш) fish3: никогда не выкину тут fish4: декей +1 RACCOON: не вижу я тут худших рук. Изи фолд fish5: не знаю почему все за пуш...реально фолд тут fish6: я бы выкинул fish7: да, я тож за пас"
GregXX @ 19.2.2011 немного не понял...вообще то тут я имел в виду 5бет на треть стека. Как раз у него после такого пятьбета колл эни ту по оддсам....
Не всегда кстати после трети стека по шансам на эни2 ;) Возьми такой диапазон (не самый узкий) 66+,ATs+,KQs,AQo+ и посмотри как против него стоят всякие Q4o, A6o, 74s...
Безотносительно темы - раздача от Jamie "pokerjamers" Armstrong'a (топ10 покетфайвс на данный момент), сыгранная 2 года назад
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #22 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 8 players The Official 2+2 (http://www.twoplustwo.com/) Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos
Turn: (t5700) (2 players) ScottMontgomery bets t4000, pokerjamers raises to t8000, ScottMontgomery raises to t12000, pokerjamers raises to t25604 all in, ScottMontgomery requests TIME, ScottMontgomery folds
Final Pot: t29700 pokerjamers shows (a pair of Kings) pokerjamers wins t29700
Not convinced poker is a game of skill? This article might alter your opinion of No Limit Hold’em as we delve into the mind of one of the top tournament poker players in the world.
Jamie “pokerjamers” Armstrong took some time with Poker News Daily to discuss a remarkable hand he played against Full Tilt Pro Scott Montgomery during a $5,000 Full Tilt Online Poker Series (FTOPS) event in January of 2009. Armstrong is a regular in the high-stakes tournament scene, both live and online, and is ranked 31st on the PocketFives.com Worldwide Rankings as of August 20th. He has several massive scores under his belt, including a three-way chop of the first-ever $3,150 buy-in PokerStars Spring Championship of Online Poker (SCOOP) event in April. He collected $380,000 for his work in that two-day tournament. Armstrong also has a victory in the Full Tilt Poker $1K Monday for $105,000 and took 16th in the inaugural $1,000 Stimulus Event at the 2009 World Series of Poker (WSOP) for $44,801.
His exceptional analysis of this particular hand against Montgomery speaks for itself. Sit back and enjoy:
Poker News Daily: You’re perceived as a very loose-aggressive player by a lot of your peers. Is that an accurate assessment or is your style dependent on who you’re seated at a table with?
Armstrong: For the most part, I play a loose-aggressive style, but it definitely changes depending on who is seated to my left and right and their stacks, my stack, etc. At the time the hand was played, I don’t think people viewed me as aggressive as they view me now, although I’ve actually tightened up in different situations greatly due to my “crazy” image.
PND: Talk about this table a little bit. Were there any players you were looking to play pots with? Was there anyone you were avoiding?
Armstrong: I may be mistaken, but I would consider this table draw very favorable for a $5K (event). I recognize most of the players to some extent, although over a small sample size, none strike me as very tricky or difficult to play against. The only person I really wanted to avoid playing pots with was Yevgeniy Timoshenko (bballer88). He’s an amazing player, definitely levels above me, and it wouldn’t be very smart to go out of my way to play pots with him out of position. Scott Montgomery also had position on me and I didn’t know much about him besides he’s crazy and not afraid to put a lot of chips in the pot in very weird spots by playing very tricky post-flop. So, I wouldn’t say I was going out of my way to play pots with Scott, but I definitely was ready to get involved with him and take advantage of his spewy nature.
Cards are Dealt
The action folds around to Armstrong on the button and he raises to 550 with 8h-7c. Montgomery calls from the small blind and Timoshenko folds.
PND: With stacks this deep, how often are you raising from the button and with what range of cards?
Armstrong: My button was the best place for me to be opening a wide range of hands; not only because it’s my button, but because it was one of two times an orbit that I had position on the best player at the table as well as the most spewy. I’m not sure what my exact opening range is here, but it’s very wide, even pre-ante. I’m definitely opening any pair, any two broadways, any suited ace, most suited kings, suited connectors, connectors, etc. 8h-7c is pretty close to the bottom of my opening range, though.
PND: What are your thoughts about Scott Montgomery’s game and how wide do you think he’s calling your raise out of the big blind?
Armstrong: I had no prior history with Scott and I am not sure he knows who I am at all. I really don’t know too much about his game, but based primarily on the A-4o hand he played in the 2008 WSOP Main Event, I can tell he likes to make strange plays and put a lot of chips in the pot with no fold equity and very little pot equity. I assume he’s calling a lot of suited connectors, pairs, broadways, suited aces, kings, etc. He’s probably calling even wider than I’m opening the button just because he loves playing pots.
Flop : Kh-Kc-5d
Montgomery checks and Armstrong leads out for 800. Montgomery check-raises to 2,200 and, after some consideration, Armstrong calls.
PND: You fire a continuation bet and Scott thinks for a few moments before putting in a check-raise. Explain your thought process here. You’re not calling because you think your 8-high is ahead, so why do you decide on a call?
Armstrong: When the flop comes K-K-5 rainbow, I immediately decide that I’m just going to shut down at first. The flop is extremely dry, so very few hands hit it. I know Scott realizes this as well so, he expects to take the pot down with a check-raise a high percentage of the time. I was being optimistic and hoped he viewed me as a complete random who wouldn’t play back at him on this flop without a hand. I made a continuation bet clearly hoping to take the pot down there, but also with the plan to flat call a check-raise from Scott. I obviously don’t think my 8-high is good at this point, but felt this would be the best way to represent a King. I could make a 3-bet on the flop, but it really doesn’t seem believable and Scott is going to throw in another raise far too often.
Turn: 2s
Montgomery bets 4,000. Armstrong min-raises to 8,000.
PND: He maintains control by leading out at the turn. You stick with your read and put in a min-raise. Did you initially feel like this would win you the pot?
Armstrong: I know this may seem crazy, but everything stems from the original continuation bet on the flop, which I made with the intention of flatting a check-raise and making a tiny raise if he bet into me on the turn. There are very few turn cards I think he’d check, but most will improve his hand to the point where he’ll now believe he has some showdown value. Hands that won’t beat any hand, I’d call a bet with on the turn, so value betting would be out of the question. Scott would bet any hand he hit on the flop like K-x and 5-5. He made a bet of 4,000 on a complete blank offsuit two, which made no sense to me. There was like 5,500 in the pot and a bet this size is not going to be called by much, so he’s representing basically only 5-5 and I still think he’d make a smaller bet with 5-5 and any King. I decided to min-raise to 8,000, expecting to win the pot a lot of the time. I felt this was my best option on the turn, as flatting creates way too many poor river situations since he could easily fire a third barrel on the river. Folding the turn would make the flop call terrible.
Montgomery min-raises to 12,000, leaving about 8,000 chips left in his stack.
PND: Does the min re-raise startle you at all?
Armstrong: I didn’t expect the min re-raise, but it really only furthered my read that he was completely full of it.
PND: What is it about his line that you aren’t buying at this point?
Armstrong: Everything he did on the turn; the size of his lead and min-reraising made no sense for an actual hand. I was pretty confident he would fold to a shove, which I only had to be a right a decent percentage of the time to make it profitable since there is so much in the pot already. I really thought he was calling me close to zero percent of the time.
Armstrong moves all-in, having Montgomery’s remaining stack covered.
PND: Describe your reasoning behind the shove a bit more. Are you putting him on rags or does your raise look so strong that you feel like you can take him off most of his hands?
Armstrong: The fact that he left a decent amount of chips behind was enough information for me to shove here. I am basically putting him on a complete bluff.
Montgomery goes into the tank and eventually folds. Armstrong shows 8h-7c.
PND: This might be the best bluff I’ve ever seen, made even better by the fact that you show it for the world to see. Is this a once-in-a-lifetime thing or do you have these kinds of plays in your regular arsenal?
Armstrong: I was thrilled that he didn’t call my shove instantly because his range was so extremely polarized that it’s either a snap-call or a snap-fold, so he was just saving face here by timebanking. In the meantime, I rushed to the options tab on Full Tilt to turn off the auto-muck option and was happy to show a pretty absurd bluff. This is definitely a once-in-a-lifetime type of bluff. While I do still make spazzy bluffs that work sometimes, nothing compares to this.
Сообщение отредактировал GodIsAnAstronaut - 20.2.2011, 19:58
GodIsAnAstronaut, ты бы скопировал мысли...не будь ленивым)) там незарегистрированным пользователям весь текст для чтения недоступен. Добавь если мжно скопированные мысли к своему посту.
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Raccoon спас мою веру в человечество! Противно, но фолд.
ну т.е. там либо полный шлак, либо nuts
Безотносительно темы - раздача от Jamie "pokerjamers" Armstrong'a (топ10 покетфайвс на данный момент), сыгранная 2 года назад
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