MTT обсуждение раздач

ап. буду постить спорные раздачи и давать линк в скайп и асю а то напрямую текст сложночитаем.
Сразу же несколько рук из сегодняшней сессии.

1 Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $300(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($9,808)
Hero ($12,425)
UTG ($24,631)
UTG+1 ($18,342)
UTG+2 ($9,921)
CO ($22,587)
BTN ($16,690)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, fold, CO calls $300, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1,050, CO calls $750

FLOP ($2,530)

Hero bets $1,897, CO calls $1,897

TURN ($6,324)

Hero bets $3,000, CO folds

Hero shows

Hero wins $6,324

2 Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $400(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($8,038)
Hero ($18,442)
UTG ($25,285)
UTG+1 ($10,426)
UTG+2 ($9,477)
MP1 ($20,280)
CO ($31,325)
BTN ($14,670)

Dealt to Hero

UTG raises to $874, fold, fold, MP1 calls $874, fold, fold, SB calls $674, Hero calls $474

FLOP ($3,896)

SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks

TURN ($3,896)

SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $1,874, MP1 calls $1,874, SB folds, Hero calls $1,874

RIVER ($9,518)

Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks

Hero shows
(Pre 60%, Flop 88.1%, Turn 76.2%)

UTG shows
(Pre 21%, Flop 5.5%, Turn 1.2%)

MP1 shows
(Pre 18%, Flop 6.5%, Turn 22.6%)

Hero wins $9,518

3 Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $500(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($10,987)
BB ($17,312)
UTG ($20,301)
UTG+1 ($20,050)
UTG+2 ($14,178)
Hero ($23,992)
MP2 ($21,667)
CO ($50,574)
BTN ($9,456)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1,000, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $500

FLOP ($2,790)

BB checks, Hero bets $2,092, BB calls $2,092

TURN ($6,974)

BB checks, Hero bets $4,000, BB calls $4,000

RIVER ($14,974)

BB checks, Hero checks

Hero shows
(Pre 82%, Flop 80.8%, Turn 88.6%)

BB shows
(Pre 18%, Flop 19.2%, Turn 11.4%)

Hero wins $14,974

1. Что там спорного? Стандарт раздача.

2. На терне можно было крутить. Плоский 3bet точно бы показал где ты находишься. В этом же случае - при бете на ривере от оппа тебе пришлось бы сбрасывать.

3. Почему минрейз префлоп? И на ривере бет в 1/3 банка имеет место. На 3бет ты бы скидывал, но так же мог бы добрать с каких нибудь или

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $800(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($20,307)
BB ($16,683)
UTG ($13,725)
UTG+1 ($19,810)
UTG+2 ($98,398)
Hero ($23,718)
CO ($12,937)
BTN ($25,332)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1,600, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $800

FLOP ($4,400)

BB bets $1,600, Hero raises to $4,000, BB calls $2,400

TURN ($12,400)

BB checks, Hero bets $12,400, BB calls $10,983 (AI)

RIVER ($34,366)

Hero shows
(Pre 27%, Flop 28.1%, Turn 19.3%)

BB shows
(Pre 73%, Flop 71.9%, Turn 80.7%)

BB wins $34,366
куллер или мог увернутся?

Имхо префлоп фолд.

дипстекс за 11
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($8,641)
Hero ($6,420)
UTG ($3,790)
UTG+1 ($7,028)
UTG+2 ($7,015)
MP1 ($5,253)
CO ($4,864)
BTN ($4,201)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $90, MP1 calls $90, fold, BTN calls $90, fold, Hero raises to $510, UTG+2 calls $420, fold, fold

FLOP ($1,215)

Hero bets $930, UTG+2 calls $930

TURN ($3,075)

Hero bets $2,100, UTG+2 raises to $5,575 (AI), Hero calls $2,880 (AI)

RIVER ($13,035)

UTG+2 shows
(Pre 19%, Flop 89.8%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero shows
(Pre 81%, Flop 10.2%, Turn 4.5%)

UTG+2 wins $13,035

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NL Holdem $100(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($7,011)
BB ($9,017)
UTG ($9,875)
Hero ($5,425)
UTG+2 ($7,120) рег
MP1 ($6,697)
MP2 ($2,195)
CO ($10,925)
BTN ($4,330)

Dealt to Hero

fold, Hero raises to $222, UTG+2 calls $222, fold, fold, CO calls $222, fold, fold, BB calls $122

FLOP ($938)

BB bets $400, Hero calls $400, UTG+2 calls $400, CO folds

TURN ($2,138)

BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $875, BB calls $875, Hero folds

RIVER ($3,888)

BB checks, UTG+2 checks

BB shows
(Pre 72%, Flop 80.2%, Turn 88.6%)

UTG+2 shows
(Pre 28%, Flop 19.8%, Turn 11.4%)

BB wins $3,888

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NL Holdem $300(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($9,962)
BB ($12,883)
UTG ($5,797)
UTG+1 ($10,457)
UTG+2 ($7,593)
MP1 ($7,442)
MP2 ($11,054)
CO ($8,969)
BTN ($11,471)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $660, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1,478, fold, MP1 calls $818

FLOP ($3,616)

Hero checks, MP1 bets $1,800, Hero raises to $6,600, MP1 calls $4,124 (AI)

TURN ($15,464)

RIVER ($15,464)

MP1 shows
(Pre 54%, Flop 44.4%, Turn 13.6%)

Hero shows
(Pre 46%, Flop 55.6%, Turn 86.4%)

MP1 wins $7,732
Hero wins $7,732

Раздача против русского рега с аби=6, потом он настаивал, что я сыграл ужасно. вот а фак маза фака???

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NL Holdem $250(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($4,125)
BB ($13,427)
UTG ($13,614)
UTG+1 ($9,020)
UTG+2 ($1,534)
MP1 ($9,905)
MP2 ($12,823)
Hero ($15,642)
BTN ($9,676)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $528, fold, fold, BB calls $278

FLOP ($1,451)

BB checks, Hero bets $888, BB calls $888

TURN ($3,227)

BB checks, Hero bets $1,999, BB calls $1,999

RIVER ($7,225)

BB checks, Hero bets $3,750, BB calls $3,750

Hero shows
(Pre 76%, Flop 8.7%, Turn 4.5%)

BB shows
(Pre 24%, Flop 91.3%, Turn 95.5%)

BB wins $14,725

Niks @ 11.7.2011
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $800(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($20,307)
BB ($16,683)
UTG ($13,725)
UTG+1 ($19,810)
UTG+2 ($98,398)
Hero ($23,718)
CO ($12,937)
BTN ($25,332)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1,600, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $800

FLOP ($4,400)

BB bets $1,600, Hero raises to $4,000, BB calls $2,400

TURN ($12,400)

BB checks, Hero bets $12,400, BB calls $10,983 (AI)

RIVER ($34,366)

Hero shows
(Pre 27%, Flop 28.1%, Turn 19.3%)

BB shows
(Pre 73%, Flop 71.9%, Turn 80.7%)

BB wins $34,366
куллер или мог увернутся?

куллер )) нее не похоже )) мое мнение по этой раздаче таково! эту руку можно играть!,можно не играть,смотря кто на бб и вообще кто после тебя сидит! смотреть статы,
он донкает! тут только кол!! его можно положить на К10 Q10 J10 A10 A10 910 66 77 88, Что ты выбиваешь своим рейзом не понятно! он колирует твой рейз, и за спиной у него 10 000, меньше банка!,сам посуди!
терн 7 он чек,я бы чекнул в дагонку! так как стэк у него 10 000 меньше чем банк! а если ты уверен,что этот опонент-фиш в твоих глазах и разыгрывает так свои 88 99 короче мелкие карманки или 10 9,89, то твои действия на терне норм, а так я не понимаю зачем ты лепишь 12 000, на такой ривер я бы сдавался! при любой агрессии от него! а на его чек ответил чеком... не сложная же раздача! а турнир их не прощает падла... ( GL тебе!

Niks @ 21.7.2011
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $300(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($9,962)
BB ($12,883)
UTG ($5,797)
UTG+1 ($10,457)
UTG+2 ($7,593)
MP1 ($7,442)
MP2 ($11,054)
CO ($8,969)
BTN ($11,471)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $660, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1,478, fold, MP1 calls $818

FLOP ($3,616)

Hero checks, MP1 bets $1,800, Hero raises to $6,600, MP1 calls $4,124 (AI)

TURN ($15,464)

RIVER ($15,464)

MP1 shows
(Pre 54%, Flop 44.4%, Turn 13.6%)

Hero shows
(Pre 46%, Flop 55.6%, Turn 86.4%)

MP1 wins $7,732
Hero wins $7,732

Раздача против русского рега с аби=6, потом он настаивал, что я сыграл ужасно. вот а фак маза фака???

не самый лучший розыгрыш 55 в 3бет поте,имхо! я бы зарыл на твой 3бет! то что он в позиции! ну хз!, скорее всего у него были такие мысли в голове про твой 3бет : он наверно делает свой чек рейз блефовый! диапоз. у него 3бета АК,АQ, АJ, думаю что я впереди него!, хуй с ним кол )) впринципе он угадал твою руку! думаю что на дистанции разыгрывать так 55 будет около 0, норм розыгрышь , хотя стэк не маленький у тебя 30bb!!зачем так агресивно!?? я бы поспокойнее разыграл

Schweppes, большое спс за подробные комменты.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($3,147)
BB ($3,424)
UTG ($2,458)
UTG+1 ($6,380)
UTG+2 ($3,290)
MP1 ($2,448)
Hero ($2,885)
CO ($1,547)
BTN ($4,187)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $60, MP1 calls $60, Hero calls $60, fold, fold, SB raises to $120, BB calls $90, UTG+2 calls $60, MP1 calls $60, Hero calls $60

FLOP ($600)

SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets $230, MP1 raises to $570, Hero folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $340

TURN ($1,740)

UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets $1,758 (AI), UTG+2 calls $1,758

RIVER ($5,256)

UTG+2 shows
(Pre 60%, Flop 48.5%, Turn 36.4%)

MP1 shows
(Pre 40%, Flop 51.5%, Turn 63.6%)

MP1 wins $5,256

передо мной оба оппа тайтовые с уклоном на нитов, сидели спокойно, херни не делали.

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NL Holdem $50(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($1,944)
BB ($3,583)
Hero ($2,047)
UTG+1 ($1,250)
UTG+2 ($4,102)
MP1 ($9,482)
MP2 ($4,061)
CO ($3,029)
BTN ($4,332)

Dealt to Hero

Hero raises to $125, fold, UTG+2 calls $125, fold, fold, CO calls $125, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($450)

Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets $150, Hero raises to $450, UTG+2 calls $450, CO folds

TURN ($1,500)

Hero bets $1,472 (AI), UTG+2 calls $1,472

RIVER ($4,444)

Hero shows
(Pre 64%, Flop 81.7%, Turn 77.3%)

UTG+2 shows
(Pre 36%, Flop 18.3%, Turn 22.7%)

Hero wins $4,444

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $120(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($10,616)
BB ($5,785)
UTG ($1,277)
UTG+1 ($10,796)
UTG+2 ($3,345)
Hero ($4,574)
MP2 ($10,658)
CO ($5,305)
BTN ($7,590)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $360, MP2 calls $360, fold, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($1,035)

Hero bets $678, MP2 calls $678

TURN ($2,391)

Hero bets $1,078, MP2 calls $1,078

RIVER ($4,547)

Hero checks, MP2 bets $7,320, Hero calls $2,443 (AI)

Hero shows
(Pre 88%, Flop 63.2%, Turn 75.0%)

MP2 shows
(Pre 12%, Flop 36.8%, Turn 25.0%)

Hero wins $9,433

Знаю, что по терну мало поставил, вопрос в другом - есть фолд?

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NL Holdem $40(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($2,690)
BB ($3,165)
UTG ($3,725)
UTG+1 ($2,860)
UTG+2 ($1,995)
MP1 ($3,395)
MP2 ($2,700)
Hero ($3,225)
BTN ($3,100)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $220, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

MP1 wins $100

против нита изи фолд же?

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NL Holdem $3,200(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($242,187)
BB ($102,861)
UTG ($197,795)
UTG+1 ($54,936)
Hero ($241,666)
MP1 ($280,283)
MP2 ($78,694)
CO ($86,758)
BTN ($197,419)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, Hero raises to $6,400, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $3,200

FLOP ($18,000)

BB checks, Hero bets $8,110, BB raises to $17,880, Hero folds

BB wins $34,220

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NL Holdem $1,000(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($134,718)
BB ($50,457)
UTG ($128,292)
UTG+1 ($12,806)
UTG+2 ($51,056)
MP1 ($70,423)
MP2 ($110,073)
CO ($106,283)
Hero ($30,892)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP2 raises to $3,000, fold, Hero raises to $30,792 (AI), fold, fold, MP2 calls $27,792

FLOP ($63,984)

TURN ($63,984)

RIVER ($63,984)

MP2 shows
(Pre 61%, Flop 86.6%, Turn 93.2%)

Hero shows
(Pre 39%, Flop 13.4%, Turn 6.8%)

MP2 wins $63,984

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NL Holdem $10,000(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($665,741)
BB ($63,170)
Hero ($471,902)
UTG+1 ($95,301)
CO ($550,142)
BTN ($588,845)

Dealt to Hero

Hero raises to $20,000, fold, CO calls $20,000, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($62,500)

Hero bets $20,000, CO raises to $50,000, Hero raises to $110,000, CO calls $60,000

TURN ($282,500)

Hero bets $100,000, CO calls $100,000

RIVER ($482,500)

Hero bets $240,652 (AI), CO folds

Hero shows

Hero wins $482,500

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NL Holdem $12,000(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($182,354)
BB ($561,345)
UTG ($707,440)
UTG+1 ($144,510)
Hero ($712,902)
BTN ($126,550)

Dealt to Hero

fold, fold, Hero raises to $34,500, fold, SB calls $28,500, fold

FLOP ($90,000)

SB checks, Hero bets $676,902 (AI), SB calls $146,354 (AI)

TURN ($382,708)

RIVER ($382,708)

SB shows
(Pre 72%, Flop 72.7%, Turn 84.1%)

Hero shows
(Pre 28%, Flop 27.3%, Turn 15.9%)

SB wins $382,708