nik-voronkov @ 6.5.2014
Он только на ев фишки смотрит.
По графику в фишках тоже можно сделать только один вывод, ты не добрал в выставлениях. Это же не ХА, тут никакой прямой зависимости графика фишек от графика долларов не вывести, и фишки в доллары перевести не возможно. Это делается для каждой руки отдельно, потом сумируется и получается результат для конкретного турнира. Был один пользователь на форуме. Он тысячу или несколько тысяч снгшек(микролимиты) на 888 бил с рои около 10% вроде, вообще с отрицательным винрейтом по фишкам.
DarknessOFF @ 5.5.2014
Искать причину и искоренять её. В регспидах гораздо проще контролировать ЕВ, нежели в гиперсатах к примеру. Гораздо меньше маргинальных ситуаций, соответственно меньше диспа. Я думаю стрики в 20-30БИ вполне нормальны. Но если тебя стрикует по 50+БИ, то это уже либо ГСЧ, либо лики в игре. В заговор ГСЧ я не верю, остается второе))
ICANTBLUFF18 @ 6.5.2014
ев в нкоаутах считается почти правильно , за исключением скорее всего тех случаев где ты делаешь колл из за баунти , хотя в обычном турнире это был бы фолд и ев считает в - , хотя я не уверен . другой причины почему ев может считать не правильно я не вижу
ICANTBLUFF18 @ 6.5.2014
ев в нкоаутах считается почти правильно
A few things we should clarify since your comparing PT4 to HM2.
1) Net Adjusted Winnings is calculated during import for both PT4 and HM2.
2) HM2 does not have built in tournament detection like PokerTracker and does not properly account for knockout tournaments due to bounty issues. This may not be the correct way of describing their methods, but I think the easy way to explain it is that they use a default payout structure for tournaments, if they do not know the actual payout structure.
3) PokerTracker 4 does have built in tournament detection to determine the payout structure. ICM is not accurate without this.
4) Net Adjusted Winnings has been a highly disputed stat that has required many incremental fixes from developers due to arguments in the community about how it should be calculated, and also due to changes that have been needed in the calculations of some exotic tournaments. Since this stat must be calculated during import, there is a good chance that if you created a new database in HM2 and imported these hands again your graph would look very different. PokerTracker doesn't require reimport, you can re-run detection at any time to improve tournament detection for a tournament if there were issues in the past that have since been fixed. If your a new PT4 user, this will probably not affect you in PT4 - but you would be wrong to assume that HM2 is accurate.
5) PokerTracker 4 supports a wide range of exotic tournaments with great accuracy due to our tournament detection, HM2 does not have the same capabilities so comparing the graphs is like comparing apples to oranges - just know that we strive to be correct mathematically in all situations but there are some - such as when there are bounties involved - that cannot be accurately calculated by ANY application unless the bounty awarded for each player at the table is know for sure in the tournament summary - FTP does not provide this data so there is nothing we can do except provide ICM based on the known information even though it is not as accurate.
6) PokerTracker does not perform Net Adjusted Winnings calculations in multiway pots unless all players who have equity in the pot get to showdown and their cards are known, but I believe HM2 does - our consultants tell us that would be wrong mathematically inaccurate because you cannot calculate equity for hands if a player has equity in the pot, but folds before getting to showdown. For example Player A raises, Players B Calls, Player C raises, Player A goes all in, and both Players B & C call the shove. On the flop Player B bets, Player C raises all-in and player B folds. Player B had equity in the pot, his play affected the outcome of the hand, but we cannot calculate the equity on something we do not know. Also the equity needs to be calculated at the point where there is no further action, but there is one or more card to come. So we disqualify this hand from all-in equity calculation, however to the best of my knowledge HM2 does not.
I hope this explanation helps. With that said, kradda was right... we cannot do anything by looking at a graph, we need to see the actual tournament that you think did not import correctly, and you need to show us WHY you think it did not import correctly. Without evidence, we cannot determine if something is broken - we rely on our users to provide us the details needed to investigate (and since we mentioned the good folks at HM2 a few times in this post, I should mention that they require the same thing). We want to help you, but I'm afraid first you must help yourself by researching to figure out which tournament may be different. But beware, you may find out that PT4 was mathematically correct after all.
- Steven
https://www.pokertracker.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=53573
http://forums.holdemmanager.com/general-support/473902-pokerstars-knockout-sng-ev.html
В ХМ2 для нокаут турниров ЕВ считается как для дефолтных турниров 50/30/20. Поэтому графики могут показаться адекватными. На деле выходит что ЕВ в этих турнирах для ХМ2 считаются не правильно, и оно будет завышено, т.к. считается байин как 14,10+0,90, а не 11,28+2,82+0,90.
Если верить valek111 и разработчикам ПТ4, то получается что если у тебя дикая передача по ХМ, то на самом деле она ещё больше
У меня например нет передачи по ЕВ. На полторашках наоборот недобираю 100БИ за 4к турниров. То есть у нас абсолютно противоположные графики.
И что получается? Либо у меня нет на самом деле недобора, но тогда у тебя вообще нереальный перебор. Либо у меня ещё бОльший недобор